wikkid
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May 22, 2012 16:46:34 GMT -5
Post by wikkid on May 22, 2012 16:46:34 GMT -5
Soooo.
Prone: +2 on shoot, does not stack with +1 shoot for not moving.
Snipe: +2 shoot to replace +1 shoot for not moving.
Does this mean a prone snipers is +2 as the 'prone bonus' does not stack with the 'not moving bonus'?
In which case (apart from being harder to target by ranged attacks) what point is there of a sniper going prone?
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May 22, 2012 18:24:38 GMT -5
Post by comstar on May 22, 2012 18:24:38 GMT -5
For that the bonuses do not stack!
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May 23, 2012 3:51:58 GMT -5
Post by wikkid on May 23, 2012 3:51:58 GMT -5
For that the bonuses do not stack! Which brings me back to the question, what is the point of going pone for a sniper....
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May 23, 2012 7:54:25 GMT -5
Post by papabees on May 23, 2012 7:54:25 GMT -5
Being harder to hit by a ranged attack. Do you not feel that is worth it?
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May 23, 2012 14:18:03 GMT -5
Post by tyrela on May 23, 2012 14:18:03 GMT -5
i did not see that prone gives you a + to defense
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May 23, 2012 14:21:12 GMT -5
Post by tyrela on May 23, 2012 14:21:12 GMT -5
I see it never mind
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May 23, 2012 15:44:26 GMT -5
Post by wikkid on May 23, 2012 15:44:26 GMT -5
Being harder to hit by a ranged attack. Do you not feel that is worth it? TBH not exclusively. Knowing just how sh*t hot many snipers are with assault rifles let alone sniper rifles from standing (I have sat on a firing range watching the snipers from a recon platoon shoot WOW!) let alone what they can manage kneeling, seated or prone (putting figure 11's down at 900 meters with a sniper rifle from prone) I would expect snipe to be a +1 shoot on all basic mods. ie. +1 to shoot (basic) +2 to shoot if not moved 3 to shoot from prone (thus effectively negating the long range penalty to firing). I find it very hard to see the reasoning behind a prone rifleman being as good a shot as a prone sniper. For reference, I was nothing like as good a shot, could just about put down effective fire with an assault rifle at 400m while prone.
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May 23, 2012 18:31:11 GMT -5
Post by papabees on May 23, 2012 18:31:11 GMT -5
Being harder to hit by a ranged attack. Do you not feel that is worth it? TBH not exclusively. Knowing just how sh*t hot many snipers are with assault rifles let alone sniper rifles from standing (I have sat on a firing range watching the snipers from a recon platoon shoot WOW!) let alone what they can manage kneeling, seated or prone (putting figure 11's down at 900 meters with a sniper rifle from prone) I would expect snipe to be a +1 shoot on all basic mods. ie. +1 to shoot (basic) +2 to shoot if not moved 3 to shoot from prone (thus effectively negating the long range penalty to firing). I find it very hard to see the reasoning behind a prone rifleman being as good a shot as a prone sniper. For reference, I was nothing like as good a shot, could just about put down effective fire with an assault rifle at 400m while prone. I see where your coming from. It is a fair point that a prone sniper should be a better shot than a prone average joe. Perhaps change the Prone bonus to +1 then allow the sniper Perk to stack?
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May 23, 2012 19:07:59 GMT -5
Post by comstar on May 23, 2012 19:07:59 GMT -5
That would work
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May 24, 2012 0:51:37 GMT -5
Post by wikkid on May 24, 2012 0:51:37 GMT -5
TBH not exclusively. Knowing just how sh*t hot many snipers are with assault rifles let alone sniper rifles from standing (I have sat on a firing range watching the snipers from a recon platoon shoot WOW!) let alone what they can manage kneeling, seated or prone (putting figure 11's down at 900 meters with a sniper rifle from prone) I would expect snipe to be a +1 shoot on all basic mods. ie. +1 to shoot (basic) +2 to shoot if not moved 3 to shoot from prone (thus effectively negating the long range penalty to firing). I find it very hard to see the reasoning behind a prone rifleman being as good a shot as a prone sniper. For reference, I was nothing like as good a shot, could just about put down effective fire with an assault rifle at 400m while prone. I see where your coming from. It is a fair point that a prone sniper should be a better shot than a prone average joe. Perhaps change the Prone bonus to +1 then allow the sniper Perk to stack? This would make the +1 for not moving redundant.
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May 24, 2012 3:00:23 GMT -5
Post by comstar on May 24, 2012 3:00:23 GMT -5
Well hopefully if robin makes that redundant and uses aim as an action instead to get +1 then that would cure that as well One of the things is if your unit is supressed and just fire you currently get +1 to shoot as you have not moved which I think is wrong!
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May 24, 2012 11:50:28 GMT -5
Post by timsnoddy on May 24, 2012 11:50:28 GMT -5
Well hopefully if robin makes that redundant and uses aim as an action instead to get +1 then that would cure that as well One of the things is if your unit is supressed and just fire you currently get +1 to shoot as you have not moved which I think is wrong! +1 Aimed fire rocks!
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May 25, 2012 12:27:25 GMT -5
Post by wikkid on May 25, 2012 12:27:25 GMT -5
Well hopefully if robin makes that redundant and uses aim as an action instead to get +1 then that would cure that as well One of the things is if your unit is supressed and just fire you currently get +1 to shoot as you have not moved which I think is wrong! +1 Aimed fire rocks! I must agree and I think Comstar is quite right regarding his comment on suppressed troops. So would this now be a case of: Aimed fire +1 shoot Aimed fire from prone +2 shoot In which case: Aimed fire form a sniper would be +2? Aimed fire from a prone sniper would be........?
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May 25, 2012 12:42:23 GMT -5
Post by papabees on May 25, 2012 12:42:23 GMT -5
+3 brother ;D
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May 25, 2012 14:38:24 GMT -5
Post by wikkid on May 25, 2012 14:38:24 GMT -5
Ahhh the beauty of simple stacking bonuses ;D
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