Gruntz 28mm; changes to ranges?

[rolunde]

Hello everyone!

Recently picked up a print copy of Gruntz v1.1, totally loving it!

Well done and thanks for that!

OK so on to my question. ;-)

One of my buddies and I got in on the Kickstarter run a couple months ago by DFG (Dream Forge Games).

Reason being wasn't for the sort of 40k Apocalypse scale Mechs (not a fan of 40k, but no need to go on about that!), but for the 28mm troopers he was also working on.

Now the first of said troopers will be arriving hopefully some time in February, and what we would like to do with them is...

Play Gruntz, in 28mm!

Because awesome figs and an awesome system deserve each other, eh?!

Now the ranges in 15mm would work "ok" at the 28mm scale, if compared to the rather short ranges as seen in something like... 40k /cough/.

But those kind of ranges do feel kind of stunted at that scale and I was thinking we'd probably want to scale stuff up to get a bit better feel, while still trying to maintain the current level of play-balance.

One easy way to go would just be:
Doubled the scale (lets just round it up and call it 30mm) so Double the ranges.
- But our preferred table space is 4x4, and I think doubling the ranges with that table space could give stuff too much range vs play-ability.

So mostly I am leaning towards the idea of increasing ranges by +50%.
- This would include movement, by the way. It seems to me that to maintain current balance that Move and Range should be scaled equally.

So a Move 4 would become Move 6.
Range 10" would become Range 15".

Now I get that as a House Rule we can do whatever we want to with it and "see how it goes" but I do want to get some feedback on all this by the Veterans here.

So any input and opinions are very welcome.

Worst case scenario, if scaling up the rules seems to be breaking it, we can always just go with Rules as Written, it's not like those 15mm ranges in 28mm scale are the shortest around, heh.

Cheers all!
~R~

p.s. we do actually plan to play Gruntz at 15mm at some time down the road too. ;-)

[baldlea]

One of the other threads from the last couple of days is about game size: both table size and points.

One of the points someone made was that on a 4x4 table (with 15mm) you get a couple of turns to manoeuvre before the fire fight begins. I agree wholeheartedly so:

Go with 50% if you want to keep a bit of manoeuvre then fire

or

Double up if you want the ranges to look better and can forego the manoeuvring and get straight into the action.

I've not tried it though but would also like to use Gruntz for 28 so let us know how you get on :-)

[comstar]

Well there has been another thread with this question being asked

gruntz15.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=disc&action=display&thread=547

Hope this helps and my answer is about half way down the thread

[rolunde]

Ah, great thanks to you both!

I'll check out that link.

[inrepose]

Oddly I have never tried Gruntz with 28mm. Sounds like something I should have a go at soon! However at the moment I am looking at Company level command and control for 6mm Micro-Gruntz, so 28mm will have to wait for now.

[comstar]

Here is a copy of my post last year.

Well I have already used the rules to play 28mm with we used 2 x movement (and any perk/mod that required it) and scaled the ranges so Gruntz normal is short so no fire for artillery and -2 for missiles double is normal range, three times is long range with a -2 to hit and four times is extream range with a -4. We also used the mental stat as coherancy distance. Flamers we added the length to the range the standard template travels out too and hits on it's way out. Also all diameters became radiuses for blasts.

I think that was it anything else I'll post later

But it doesn't require a lot to modify as everything is the same especially the cards

Just need a chart to sort out ranges but will soon be learnt and become second nature we have used the ranges with 15mm games as well to give the game a slightly different feal as well and seemed to work on the larger tables

It seemed to work for me

[inrepose]

I like the idea of x2 and x3 for ranges. That way you don't have to update tables with new ranges etc and just use the basics.

I would also suggest that Gruntz moved at 5". So 5" basic move or 10" double move.

Robin